
WHERE LEADERS RETHINK HOW STRATEGY WORKS IN THE REAL WORLD
The traditional approach to strategy is broken.
In a world that won’t sit still, leaders can’t rely on outdated models built for stability and control.
Strategy Meets Reality is a podcast for leaders, strategists, and thinkers who want real insight—not theory. Hosted by organisational psychologist and systems thinker Mike Jones, each episode cuts through the noise with honest conversations from people who’ve lived the complexity, made the tough calls, and rethought what strategy means in practice.
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Latest Episode
Ep. 25 – Antifragile by Design: Janka Krings-Klebe on Governance, Autonomy, and Building Ecosystem Organisations
Guest: Janka Krings-Klebe
“Antifragility means getting stronger through disruption—but only if you design for it.”
In this episode, Janka Krings-Klebe—systems thinker and author of The Antifragile Organisation—joins Mike Jones to explore what it takes to build organisations that thrive in uncertainty. From ecosystem structures to learning cultures, they unpack how to rethink governance, funding, and leadership to enable innovation and resilience. It’s a grounded conversation for leaders shaping the future of work.
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Ep. 17 Futures, Fit, and Fragility: Norman Chorn on Strategy, Scenarios, and Organising for Uncertainty
Efficiency can make you fragile. Coherence makes you viable.
In this episode, Norman Chorn—strategist, educator, and scenario thinker—joins Mike Jones to explore why traditional alignment fails in uncertainty, and how strategic coherence can help organisations adapt and thrive. From low-regret bets to common capabilities, they unpack how leaders can design for resilience, not prediction.
Ep. 16 Reconceptualising Strategy: Ben Zweibelson on Strategy, Complexity, and Multi-Paradigm Thinking
Most organisations think they’re doing strategy—but they’re often just reinforcing a single worldview.
In this episode, Ben Zweibelson—veteran, military strategist, and author of Reconceptualizing War—joins Mike Jones to explore how dominant paradigms shape the way we fight, plan, and lead. From functionalism to interpretivism, and complexity to irreversibility, this is a sharp, provocative look at why multi-paradigm thinking is no longer optional. It’s the foundation of modern strategic sensemaking.
Ep. 15 Diagnosing the Real Problem: Michael Negendahl on Risk, Control, and Leading in Complexity
Control is comforting, but often a trap. In this episode, Michael Negendahl joins Mike Jones to explore why so much strategy and safety work is performative, how leaders confuse the perception of control with real progress, and why diagnosing problems comes before declaring solutions. From risk management to distributed intelligence, this is a candid look at leading in complexity.
Ep. 14 Rethinking Innovation: Paul Frobisher on Strategy, Thinking better, and Organising for Uncertainty
Innovation is often misunderstood—as a buzzword, a campaign, or a flashy showcase of creativity. But real innovation is about solving the right problems.
In this episode, Paul Frobisher—engineer, innovator, and founder of Strategic Innovation—joins Mike Jones to explore why so many organisations mismanage innovation. They unpack how poor problem definition, disconnected strategy, and emotional resistance undermine progress—and why frameworks like TRIZ and IDEF0 help bring discipline and clarity. From hydrogen futures to innovation ecosystems, this is a grounded conversation on what it takes to innovate with intent in an uncertain world.
Meet your Host:
Mike Jones
Mike Jones is a systems thinker, organisational psychologist, and former British Army soldier.
He’s worked as a strategy and execution advisor to senior executives across rail, tech, and government to rethink how strategy actually works in complexity.
He founded LBI Consulting and author of the upcoming book When Strategy Meets Reality.
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