WHERE LEADERS RETHINK HOW STRATEGY WORKS IN THE REAL WORLD
The traditional approach to strategy is broken.
In a world that won’t sit still, leaders can’t rely on outdated models built for stability and control.
Strategy Meets Reality is a podcast for leaders, strategists, and thinkers who want real insight—not theory. Hosted by organisational psychologist and systems thinker Mike Jones, each episode cuts through the noise with honest conversations from people who’ve lived the complexity, made the tough calls, and rethought what strategy means in practice.
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Latest Episode
Ep. 27 – Beyond OKRs: Radhika Dutt on the Performance Trap and the Puzzle Mindset
Guest: Radhika Dutt
“We don’t need better targets. We need better thinking.”
In this episode, Radhika Dutt—author and product strategist—joins Mike Jones to explore why OKRs and KPIs often do more harm than good. They unpack the puzzle mindset, freedom of action, and scaffolding for learning—and show what happens when leadership is driven by purpose, not performance theatre.
This is a timely and provocative conversation for anyone rethinking how goals really work.
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Ep. 27 Beyond OKRs: Radhika Dutt on the Performance Trap and the Puzzle Mindset
OKRs and KPIs aren’t helping—they’re making organisations more fragile.
In this episode, Radhika Dutt joins Mike Jones to explore how performance metrics often become theatre, and why strategy needs a new logic. They unpack the puzzle mindset, the role of scaffolding, and how real leadership enables experimentation and learning—not just control. This is a bold conversation for anyone ready to move beyond metric chasing and build something resilient.
Ep. 25 Antifragile by Design: Janka Krings-Klebe on Governance, Autonomy, and Building Ecosystem Organisations
Antifragile isn’t just a mindset—it’s a design choice.
In this episode, Janka Krings-Klebe—author of The Antifragile Organization—joins Mike Jones to explore what it means to build organisations that thrive through disruption. They discuss why most governance systems unintentionally block innovation, how to balance autonomy and accountability, and why culture and value streams are critical to adaptive performance. It’s a practical, grounded conversation on leading in complexity.
Ep. 14 Rethinking Innovation: Paul Frobisher on Strategy, Thinking better, and Organising for Uncertainty
Innovation is often misunderstood—as a buzzword, a campaign, or a flashy showcase of creativity. But real innovation is about solving the right problems.
In this episode, Paul Frobisher—engineer, innovator, and founder of Strategic Innovation—joins Mike Jones to explore why so many organisations mismanage innovation. They unpack how poor problem definition, disconnected strategy, and emotional resistance undermine progress—and why frameworks like TRIZ and IDEF0 help bring discipline and clarity. From hydrogen futures to innovation ecosystems, this is a grounded conversation on what it takes to innovate with intent in an uncertain world.
Meet your Host:
Mike Jones
Mike Jones is a systems thinker, organisational psychologist, and former British Army soldier.
He’s worked as a strategy and execution advisor to senior executives across rail, tech, and government to rethink how strategy actually works in complexity.
He founded LBI Consulting and author of the upcoming book When Strategy Meets Reality.
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